A conversation about love

Below is a conversation I just had with a female friend on MSN. I'm posting it because it is interesting and might make you think, and it shows me in good light, and I am too lazy to write a real post. All names have been changed.

Leland says:
lol
u like transformers

girl (space) friend says:
uh huh
u?

Leland says:
din watch yet
im guessing nice action

girl (space) friend says:
YEAP!
watched w ASD
hahahaha

Leland says:
i can see now y its so kewl
girl (space) friend says:
so random
no no no

Leland says:
i get it la
just a jab
lol
how tings

girl (space) friend says:
im objectively saying thats its kewl!
i hate d 1st one
bt story-wise it suck
jz love d special effects

Leland says:
its transformers
the story
is of course like that

girl (space) friend says:
uh huh
so leland
what do u think of pre-marital sex?

Leland says:
er
cool
its
cool

girl (space) friend says:
right...
i can see d roll of ur eyes

Leland says:
i tink ppl should have more premarital sex

girl (space) friend says:
u dont wanna a virgin bridew?

Leland says:
not really

girl (space) friend says:
seriously?
y?

Leland says:
y should i
besides
a girl with experience
probably knows more stuff

girl (space) friend says:
shouldnt she b pure?

Leland says:
that can make me feel more awesome

girl (space) friend says:
dnt u wanna b d first to touch her?

Leland says:
pure?
well..
a bit, but practical considerations far outweigh that
come on a girl having premarital sex that i would go for..
u know
more fun in bed
i dun wanna marry some girl
that got brought up like a traditional stupid girl
then later cant enjoy sex
sex is great!
how can u accept that more pure crap nyways
unless u follow ur gut..
sluts= more chance of having someone elses baby
madonna-whore dichonomy
evo psy

girl (space) friend says:
haha!
bt.. d thought of another guy who had her b4
doesnt bother you?

Leland says:
well not really
unless i know the guy
that it would bother me
a biot

girl (space) friend says:
y then?

Leland says:
well its just kinda not nice imagining the girl u like having sex with another
but another then that im cool
she probbaly can give a 10x better blowjob then any virgin

girl (space) friend says:
well..
blowjobs does not break d hymen
duh
any virgin can gv an awesome fellatio

Leland says:
girl
u know nothing

girl (space) friend says:
yea
fine
so i admit i do not
educate me then

Leland says:
and enough about that overrated piece of skin
not oni blowjobs u know
a sexually confident girl
one that can enjoy sex
knows what she wants
knows how important sex is to a man
knows when to give and take if it comes to sex
imagine a girl that think of sex as a chore
that'd be horrible

girl (space) friend says:
haha
i always like hw you rationalize things

Leland says:
its about wat i want in a partner

girl (space) friend says:
bt still..
its because guys do not have a definitive indication of them losing their virginity..
bt girls do..
that makes it all d more harder

Leland says:
some guys care bout it
its not cause of that
if parents knew their son were having sex
they may even feel proud
if its their daughter..

girl (space) friend says:
exactly
why then?
bcz of d cultural perception that girls should b presented as gifts?

Leland says:
isnt it obvious

girl (space) friend says:
to their partners on their marriage nights?
i kinda figured its down to that

Leland says:
,remember
its most reproductively succesful for a guy to have as many sex as he gets
its most reproductively succesful for a woman to pick a guy with good genes and a decent level of commitment
make sense now?

girl (space) friend says:
yea yea yea
bt seriously.
you saying that you dont mind that another guy had touched her jz bothers me
me n ASD were discussing yesterday
i went "you wanna fuck me, right?"

Leland says:
ASD 120% cant accept

girl (space) friend says:
he's like.. "yea, im a guy. bt then, i wanna you to remain pure for your husband n crap"
duh
so i went "hmmm.. we'll c"

Leland says:
well
ultimately its a decision for urself
just remember that there are people that will always prejudice against non-virgins
hypocrites mostly
at the very least though make sure the guy is special for the first time

girl (space) friend says:
*haihz.
sex should b jz bout hedonistic pleasure
there shouldnt b anything more than that

Leland says:
sex has always been about making babies

girl (space) friend says:
yea
bt since d introducation of condoms n pills
d role has slightly reduced..

Leland says:
haha
well
evolution cant foresee things

girl (space) friend says:
it went towards pleasure instead

Leland says:
pleasure
is a side effect
for people to want to have sex
so they can have babies

girl (space) friend says:
uh huh
hmm.
mayb my decision will b made in d heat of d moment
we'll c..
nwayz. yea. told ya i'll get him back
i did, didnt i?
haha. im pathetic

Leland says:
congratulations
i struggle
to maintain a straight face

girl (space) friend says:
hahaha!
i noe!\
im laughing out loud over here too
im bored la.
nothing to do much in these 2 months
having a bf jz spices things up

Leland says:
if u say so
girl (space) friend.. says:
you finshed your webpage d?

Leland says:
no
havent started
a fren helping me tmr
study computer

girl (space) friend says:
haha!
no gf this week
?

Leland says:
got cos after friday im semi-free

girl (space) friend says:
haha.. so sweet..
do you still lust for her
jz bcz she's 'available
'
or bcz shes her?

Leland says:
lust?
because she's a girl and shes hot

girl (space) friend.. says:
yea. bt if another comes along

Leland says:
but i relaly do love her

girl (space) friend says:
hawter than her
n willing to have you?
awwwww... seriously? i kinda junk d idea of love d
dont believe in it

Leland says:
aww
did i ruin it for u

girl (space) friend says:
no no no..
more towards like. boy meets girl.
passion fires.
then.. its d commitment that comes in..
after awhile familiarity tells him that he cant live without her..

Leland says:
o ASD ruined i for u

girl (space) friend says:
n thus, he does everything to keep her
n marriage calls..
n he's jz too lazy to leave her

Leland says:
hahaha

girl (space) friend says:
nah. ASD didnt ruin it for me. ASD opened my eyes to it

Leland says:
differnt words
same meaning
besides
there are so many diff ppl

girl (space) friend says:
i mean. yea, ive been in love. its d longing, d missing, d yearning.
bt i dont think you "love' d person.

Leland says:
maybe love is just working with someone u really like to spend the rest of ur life with

girl (space) friend says:
you love how you feel around d person
yea. bt its bcz you love yourself more than you love d person..
bt then.. when you feel that you cant live without d person.
you rather sacrifice your life for him/her
thus.. a word: LOVE

Leland says:
must one be that self-sacrificial to be called LOVE?

girl (space) friend says:
well.. you jz said. you wanna spend your entire life w him/her

Leland says:
thats a rather cynical view
think bout it
is it that love isnt real
or was it ur expectations of it that were unrealistic
and naive

girl (space) friend says:
nah. i dont have much expectations of it

Leland says:
right
i believe u

girl (space) friend says:
what im trying to say is that.. 'love' itself.. could b substituted w so many other words
commitment.. infatuation.. comfortability.. familiarity.. happiness
bt ppl jz lump it all into one big fat word called love

Leland says:
it cant be substituted
it means all of that

girl (space) friend says:
it ca n
you think you love your family?

Leland says:
it can but u wouldnt be telling hte whole picture

girl (space) friend.. says:
you dont.. if not for d things they have done to you
if your mother wasnt who she was.. if she didnt carry you for 9 months.. would you had loved her?
or at times when you got into fights w her.. n hated her
you still love her?
bt yea.. you convinced your self you do..

Leland says:
u're broadening the meaning of love to mean ridicolously unconditioning feelings of affection and willingness to sacrifice

girl (space) friend says:
cz you think of all d good memories
well. you just said you wanna spend your ENTIRE lifetime w d person you love
dont start calling me hypocritic

Leland says:
im not calling u hypocritic
im just pointing something out

girl (space) friend says:
so, love.. it jz comes n goes?
exactly. why. i. said. love. does. not. exist.

Leland says:
the word
has so many meanings
its not neccesary that u need to be like wat u said to mean being in love
i can tell u from the bottom of my heart
i really do love my gf

girl (space) friend says:
ah..
well.
someone told me..
love is loving d person.. even when you put her last
some other guy that i emo-ed to la

Leland says:
that sentence doesnt even begin to make sense

girl (space) friend says:
bt it makes sense.. right?

Leland says:
who else would i wake at 6 in the monring, drive over to bring her here, then drive her back at night?

girl (space) friend says:
all i c are jz your fox-dogs
its bcz you enjoy her company

Leland says:
true
but does me enjoying her company

girl (space) friend says:
love then.. in this case. is enjoyment

Leland says:
means i dont love her?
it isnt
enjoyment

girl (space) friend says:
it means you enjoy her company

Leland says:
is part of love
but love isnt enjoyment

girl (space) friend says:
it does not necessitate loving her

Leland says:
if u define love so stringent that nobody can pull it off
that of course it doesnt exist
and the word would mean nothing
but then words are made by people
and people use the word for all sorts of things
if it din have meaning it wouldnt have any practical usage
is ur redefinition of the word love accurate?
if i tell u that altruistic behavior ultimately stems from the gene that cares for itself, does that mean that an altruistic being isnt altruistic?
if im willing to sacrifice something very important for a friedn, becasue i enjoy his/her company and i have grown attached to the person, does it mean i dont love her?

girl (space) friend says:
alright. so, say for example.
you sacrificed lots of time for me.
listening to me whine bout ASD.
bringing me to mcD n spending time w me
so that i get over ASD
that meant you love me
aite?
i know. bt your love to me is jz as that of a friend
your love to her.. goes way deeper
bt c leland
im playing your game
im trying to tell you.. that 'love
'love' is jz another meaning that humans attach to emotions generated by our hormones..

Leland says:
dear im familiar with wat u're saying

girl (space) friend says:
that generally mean nothing at all
other than to lead to sex
n reproduction

Leland says:
it doesnt mean nothing
zz

girl (space) friend says:
argh

Leland says:
just becasue somehting stems from another thing doesnt mean it is the other thing

girl (space) friend says:
double negatives
i dont understand double negative sentences

Leland says:
u should know my worldview by now
wat u're saying is
love isnt as special as u thought it was
well
nothing is
as mythically speical

girl (space) friend says:
yea, i guess.

Leland says:
supernaturally
bla bla bla

girl (space) friend says:
im saying that love isnt as special as i thought it was

Leland says:
but it doesnt mean what we experience is any less

girl (space) friend says:
bcz its d amalgamation of so many things..
i noe..

Leland says:
neither does it mean it has no meaning